Get out and vote Remain – don’t let the extremists in!
- To vote out votes in a hard-line Tory government led by Gove and Johnson – goodbye public services, hello privatisation
- To vote out sends the economy into a huge crash costing jobs, running down services and making us all poorer
- To vote out does not solve the immigration problem
- To vote in puts us in the decision making processes
- To vote in gives us more power
- To vote in makes us safer with unity and cooperation to counter terrorism
- To vote in helps us protect the environment
- To vote in protects our human and workers rights
- To vote in is a move towards a global perspective that is the future of the world
- To vote in helps us all grow together
- To vote in is a move towards controlling Multinational Corporations
- To vote out will not lessen the red tape – we will still have to comply in order to sell
Who cares about the Queen? Sovereignty or the class system? We have sovereignty and identity now. We have control on our borders. We have the laws we need to deport criminals or lock them up. 93% of our laws are made by our parliament.
I don’t trust Gove and Johnson.
Hope is the currency.
We have to sort out the migration, bureaucracy and gravy train from inside the EU. We’d have influence.
So get out there and vote Remain. It is by far the lesser of two evils.
To be honest, given the information that has been brought to the fore in recent weeks from both sides, it’s a bit disheartening to see this appraisal. It’s just too simplistic.
But that doesn’t really matter because it is only that – a simple bullet point list. But I hope nobody could be as unthinking as to be persuaded by it’s contents, given what we now know.
Just as an observational example for 5 of the above points.
To vote out immediately does actually solve the immigration problem by the very fact that we wouldn’t have to let any more immigrants in!
With reference to the decision making process, our struggle to get our views across is up against some 10,000 Euro bureaucrats all of whom currently earn more than our PM.
The more countries involved the less power equates to ourselves.
By all accounts we are at the forefront of counter terrorism and other nations rely upon us to spread such info.
Were we to leave we be no longer be subjected to trade tariffs.
There’s another 169 countries out there that we could perhaps give a little more attention to.
A multitude of millions of people both within and outwith the UK do care about the Queen and a huge amount of billions of money pours into the UK because of her existence.
Gove and Johnson are not extremists, they simply want to see Britain come first.
I would equate such comment as scaremongering BS, which isn’t helpful or constructive to any case for Remain and I’m fairly certain anyone with any know how would recognise that.
I wish this vote wasn’t just a question of remain or leave. I wish it had been able to include a number of other factors that we as a nation could have been able to present the Eurocrats, to tell them in clear terms that we’re a bit miffed with their pretty crumby performance.
We’re not the only nation thinking this either. There’s at least another 5 long term big member countries sharing our despair.
Hopefully this may – whatever the result – go some way to get Europe doing what it was supposed to and to stop interfering in stuff that’s got nothing to do with running a multinational economy, such as marriage laws. They’ll be banning J-walking soon enough.
Perhaps if it would spend a little more time on issues such as reducing carbon emissions, where today we have new factories being built with no solar paneling or wind turbines which reduce electricity use.
Or new build housing without triple glazing. The Scandinavians have been doing this off their own back for decades without any need to be told to do so by Brussels etc.
The more we tear it apart the more under performing it becomes.
Even the chocolate bar confectionery that used to be made in UK, but now in Europe, has more sugar based derivatives in it than ever before. So much for their public health legislation etc.
The more we look at what they do, the more we find of what they’re not doing.
These are just a few of my many observations that have nothing to do with my own thoughts on the matter of the actual vote.
Thanks for that Andrew.
As you can see I tried to reduce the argument to its simplest components – a set of bullet points – not to expand the argument.
I share you view – to have to decide on a simple Yes/No when there are many issues that cannot be reduced to that is simply not right.
I take all your points about the EU – hopefully this process has highlighted these and started an agenda. The message must get through to those at the top that something needs to happen to address these issues – the migration, bureaucracy, democracy, gravy train, ignoring of legislation on health, environment, a more efficient decision making process etc. Most people are incensed.
You know as well as me that the migrants would still come – they want them. It is good for the economy – a source of cheap labour. They will make noises but do little. It’s a sham.
I don’t care about the Queen. I’d dump her even if it costs us money. The whole concept has no place in the modern world. She stands for an elitist system I despise.
Gove and Johnson are extreme. Gove has already created huge damage to the education system and created great privatisation. They are rabid about privatisation and control. They would devastate education, the NHS and other public services. We would be voting in a much more extreme Tory version than the present one – and that is bad enough. A big lurch to the right. I don’t know why you defend them – Gove, Johnson, Fox, Davies and co do not represent a ‘Britain first’ approach, they are very right-wing, black and white and dangerous. Not a government I’d want to live under.
Wouldn’t it be nice if we could have a much more detailed voting system where we could express – through some rating system – our views on all of these different aspects. There are thousands of surveys that do precisely that. That would make more sense to me.
As for terrorism, the environment, human rights and workers rights – it is much better to share these and make them international to make us safer. Cooperating works much better.
Almost lastly – peace is worth sacrifice and the EU has helped to provide that. We have brought many countries into the fold who were former enemies. Better to talk than to fight.
And lastly – crashing the economy will create such austerity, job losses and problems that everything else will seem negligible.
You are right, mistakes which have potential long term harmful effects have taken place and neither am I personal supporters of any stretch but I still have to defend Gove and Johnson’s right to want what they want – Britain for Britain. In due course if any, their actions will be under great scrutiny by everybody.
I hope we have turned a corner here and public awareness of governmental actions will perhaps be on a new level as compared to say this time last year, whether in or out.
Actually, I think this process has done a lot of good and been a very worthwhile exercise.
There’s been a lot of positives achieved by both sides.
I just hope people don’t vote by emotion – such as Cox’s murder which was manipulated with emotion by Remain.
There’s actually much talk of something’s not quite right about this case, to the extent that it is believed the initial attack report had been of Mair attacking a man and Cox had gone in to assist, rather than call the cops.
It’s also believed that Mair was a victim of MK etc. The plot thickens and it’s peculiar that such an event happened when a) we are still in Europe
b) it was believed that Remain were behind in the polls.
The MP’s made sure it remained topic no1, taking the heat off the debate. They know how well this works as the exact same thing happened in Sweden in 2003, upon it’s yes or no entry into the EU.
I certainly cannot recall an occasion where the public at large have ever been presented with such a myriad of facts.
Obviously there’s been nonsense and misleading stuff from both sides but by and large, the public have been able to make a much more informed decision – whatever the result.
This is the sort of forum of politics that I wish to see in future, open debate, leaders called to explain and presented in front of the public and to take what’s coming. No longer should they be able to hide behind walls of illusion. I think we’ve just turned a corner in many respects.
However, in the immortal words of Stalin, “The people who cast the votes don’t decide an election, the people who count the votes do.”
There certainly are good things – in that it has created much debate. But listening in to people round here talking I am amazed by their ignorance. They are confused by the lies from both sides and lost in the info. They are voting with their glands rather than their brains (for either side).
I don’t know about turning any corners. I just hope the politicians realise that the public are furious – it’s time they sorted the mess out instead trying to pull wool over our eyes.
In the immortal words of Jerry Rubin – ‘History will prove us right – we know because we will write that history.’
There’s only been you and I around here 95% of the time and I am by no means ignorant or confused. If that infers I’m a dick head so be it, but it isn’t representative of opinion expressed towards me elsewhere, where individuals are somewhat more considered fully understand that what I have to say is for consideration only as opposed to blind belief.
It should also be said that to vote through emotion is equally stupid, too.
That fact that Jerry wasn’t able to live to see his words fail him is perhaps lamentable.
No – I don’t mean on the blog – I mean in my village. I wasn’t meaning you Andrew. There was a big group of people outside the school gates gabbing complete bollocks. One thought that be not voting she was for remain and that if there weren’t enough voting out we’d be in. The level of stupidity was frightening. To listen to their reasoning was really scary.
See! That’s what happens when living in cyber space way too long! I’m forgetting that there’s another world beyond the windows. I’ll have to check it out soon as I heard it was quite good. That’s internet shopping, Tesco home delivery etc, I could really not even have to leave bed. Shocking state of affairs really.
I wouldn’t bother. It’s not all it’s cracked up to be.
Never let it be said that Scotland was responsible for this result.
On the upside this is yet another brick wall for SNP and further delays their hopes and plans.
Goodbye Corbyn?
It would seem many are questioning his very poor performance all through this process and really shows that his leadership skills are nowhere near the level of what is expected.
He really just hasn’t got what it takes and can’t pull his weight at all.
He’s absolutely useless.
Ruth Davidson for PM!
But, I don’t think she wants that job.
Shame, as she covers most ground of diversity policy – a gay, female, prop-forward rugby player.