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I find this hilarious. The guy was wanting to stop remain keeping us in. He has provided an outlet for millions of furious, frightened people who are dismayed at the process and way the vote went.
It illustrates to me that there is something flawed with the whole thing.
There is also something definitely flawed with 3 million people’s understanding of what democracy is.
That’s what comes with living in a “whine” culture and having too many juvenile minded adults.
Usually with such close shaves there’s loud shouts for a recount – I haven’t heard them, but to shout immediately for another referendum is another thing entirely.
I don’t think that I’ll put any money on this happening. It’ll fall on deaf ears.
No it won’t happen. It can’t happen. But it indicates the fury and anger that is present. Not juvenile or whining.
Read more carefully – the whole irony of the petition being put up by a leaver prior to the referendum (and with a valid point that a decision of such magnitude should have a clear mandate – such as the more stringent rules for strike action) in order to stop the remainers is what this is about.
I think it’s only fair that all those who had voted Remain, should be able to vote again.
Or did I misunderstand something here?
I think the premise is that with such a marginal result on such a issue with such far-reaching outcomes we should rerun it and everyone be allowed to vote again.
With the consequences we have seen so far – pound dropping, stock market dropping, Ireland and Scotland looking for referenda, and companies laying plans to leave, perhaps that is not such a bad idea.
“There is also something definitely flawed with 3 million people’s understanding of what democracy is.” Same thing over here across the pond, Andrew. It makes one wonder if people learned about government from fortune cookies… Disgusting that we don’t know how our own countries are run.
Indeed. There’s winners, losers and bad losers!
I do like the fortune cookie analogy!
I’ll remember that one.
No Cheryl – I don’t think there is any misunderstanding about how democracy works. This is a protest. People are furious at how their futures have been changed. A lot of people feel like they’ve been lied to, mugged and thrown into a nightmare. 75% of under 30s voted to remain and feel that the old generation have once again shat on them. They are the ones that are going to have to live with it. The xenophobic fear-ridden campaign was appalling and disingenuous. I woke up to find myself poorer. It was like I’d been mugged. The pound dropped, stock market dropped and businesses are already making plans to move abroad – all the things that Brexit labelled as Project Fear and scaremongering and reassured everyone that it would never happen. Then we have a right-wing government in through the backdoor and the UK threatening to break up. It feels like a disaster to a lot of people. They are shocked, angry and feel duped.
People are expressing their anger. They know exactly how their government works.
Bad losers? A silly childish choice of words. It’s not a game.
It is the future for my children and grandchildren. It’s about principles worth fighting for, jobs, prosperity and attitudes.
Better an expression for that anger rather than riots or rebellion. Though I think we’re close to that. It’d only take a spark.
But Opher, we are not the only country to have severe doubts about the EU. There’s at least 5 other long time members, too, with the very same complaints and there’s talk of them doing a vote on it too. We just happened to be first off the line. Natural leadership attributes?
Whatever all the negative connotations amount to – and yes, indeed there are many pitfalls to deal with – something is indeed rotten with the state of the EU.
I saw it first hand in Greece and Cyprus. Now of course I realise that they are not big hitters with only about 16 million people between them, but boy they have suffered so badly.
If the EU is all it’s cut out to be why are so many companies and small businesses going belly up there?
I sure don’t have the answer but there’s got to be another way.
Well I agree with you. I think there are inherent problems that need dealing with. But there are the same here too. The British establishment is corrupt and inherently unfair. The people with the power aren’t elected here either. They buy their politicians and manipulate from behind the scenes.
If the partner members want something doing to put it right then they should bloody change it. That is surely the answer.
The question is rather whether it is possible to create a fair system in any form, anywhere. Those with power control it and that’s it. The whole system, here there and everywhere is surely just as corrupt?
Opher, you waking up to feel like you’d been mugged has been happening within the EU for years with a disaster of a currency. The fluctuations against the dollar and pound are ridiculous.
If there’s a strike in France, the Euro drops. If there’s a smoky volcano in Iceland, it drops.
If there’s a drought in Greece, it drops, etc, etc. It’s nuts!
Gordon Brown screwed your pension fund.
I would also suggest that the majority of under 30s are not in business in the EU, from the perspective of actually living in mainland Europe – as opposed to living here in UK.
All I’ve read is stuff about visas whilst travelling.
I agree again but not on this scale and not so devastatingly. The outcome of this was obvious and I talked about it at length before the referendum . It was always met with Project Fear and scaremongering but the results are now being manifest and the repercussions are enormous.
The pound, the financial markets and the leaving of businesses were all well understood and obvious. The impact of this may be mild in the long term or may snowball into catastrophe. It’s a domino effect and nobody knows. It was too big a risk. It seems obvious to me that prices will rise, interest rates will go up, jobs will be lost and the poor and public servants will be made to pay most of all.
Likewise the Break-up of the UK.
Likewise peace in Europe. Nato is not keeping peace. In my opinion it is more effective to use diplomacy via a trading forum EU rather than threats and force via a military force. I also have no great faith in America coming to our defence. I don’t trust them. They have been very keen to use Europe as an expendable aircraft carrier in a contained nuclear war. They don’t have our interests at heart. Putin is watching.
It is the fascists and nationalists who are applauding this decision the loudest.
I do see it as a grey area and the better of two evils. The EU is flawed and a right-wing organisation. It needs overhauling and making to work. To pull out might well be the end of the UK in more ways than one.
I am fearful. Petrol goes up tomorrow. It’s the start. When the prices start rising and the unemployment sets in will everyone still be thinking it was worth it?
Well we should have expected currency, shares, anything financial to drop and flutter about. I’m not too concerned about that. We even get this sort of thing happen with a normal general election.
These money trading people have got us all held by the shorts no matter what. They also need sorted out.
I was of the understanding that we had loads of petrol reserves. Another example perhaps of corporate greed taking advantage.
There’s something wrong with that scenario. What is Brussels doing considering we haven’t left yet. (off for the weekend, of course)
There’s 2 years of exit period and meanwhile (as I believe, but maybe wrong) we still have to send in the cheque every week.
A bit of they want their cake and eat it too going on, I think.
Bear in mind that the UK plays its part with military duty on the Mediterranean. We always have one armed to the teeth Cruiser circling around Cyprus, protecting oil shipping coming in from the Suez. And 2 nuclear subs on patrol somewhere.
Don’t mess with us!
We know any change of management comes with teething problems but we don’t know what Boris & Co’s master plan is quite yet.
Turbulence is one thing. This was a different proportion. More chaos and uncertainty ahead. More businesses leaving. I’m not as optimistic as you.
I don’t think Boris PLC has a plan – just a wish. Besides it will be Theresa May.
Why therefore was the shout not before hand saying NO to any referendum?
Why wait until the ship has left the dock?
Well I think it was. I believe there were many of us that knew this was Cameron’s faux pas – a silly promise to keep his right wing on side for an election he thought he could not win. He hoped to get another coalition and then blame the LibDems and not do it. It went horribly wrong. We were shouting.
Then there was complacency – it was so London centric that they thought they’d walk it. They did not realise the impact of austerity, migration and disillusionment through the rest of the country. It was a protest vote against the government and their stupidity.
Once started it has a life of its own.
People are now waking up to the reality of what is happening. The Brexit promises are melting. The reality is looking extreme. It looks to me as if we are all going to be a lot poorer and Britain less powerful. There are bigger problems on the horizon. Who knows where it will end?