A Map or Two of Palestine for Moshe

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For some reason Moshe didn’t think there ever was a Palestine. Here’s a few maps.

11 thoughts on “A Map or Two of Palestine for Moshe”

  1. Just askin’ Is it true tht Palestine got its name from the Philistines who were among its earliest inhabitants?

  2. The language “Partition” means a UN source of your maps. Arabs rejected all forms of partition. Jews accepted partition. Arabs, 5 Arab countries invaded the newly declared Jewish State on the same day as Ben-Gurion declared Independence and lost their wars to throw the Jews into the Sea. Once Israel became a nation and ceased being a mandate territory of the UN, the UN ceased having control over the Jewish state just like the UN does not make domestic or foreign policy decisions for any other country on the planet earth.

      1. UN Resolutions which seek to impose a 2 state solution – utterly ridiculous. The UN never had any mandate to determine international borders of any country on the planet earth.

  3. Rabbi Moscker, with sincere respect…..the parallel you draw between the American Revolution and the conflict between Israel and the Palestinians is not valid. The War of Independence between England and the American Patriots fought that war for a number of reasons. Not the least of those reasons was that the ” Crown” was thousands of miles away and the Patriots demanded, “NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION”. Our money in the USA says
    “IN GOD WE TRUST”. QUESTION… DID “GOD” CONDONE THE THEFT OF LAND FROM THE INDIGENEOUS POPULATION THAT LIVED THERE FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS? I THINK NOT. IT WAS THE BEGINIING OF THE REDICULOUS CONCEEPT OF MANIFEST DESTINY EVEN THOUGH THE TERM OF “MANIFEST DESTINY” DID NOT EXIST UNTIL APPROX. 1850 AND THE TERM WAS USED TO JUSTIFY THAT SAME CRIME OF AQUISITION FOR ALL THE LAND TO THE WESTERN UNITED STATES. ISRAEL AND PALESTINE BOTH HAVE ANCIENT CLAIMS TO THAT LAND. BIBLICALLY, THE PALESTINIANS MAY HAVE BEEN THERE FIRST AND THAT IS DOCUMENTED BIBLICALLY WHEN MOSES SENT HIS SPIES INTO THE LAND NOW CALLED ISRAEL. WAS THIS ALSO A MANIFEST DESTINY MANDATE ? WAS IT ORDAINED BY GOD? I ASK YOU THIS QUESTION BECAUSE I DO NOT KNOW THE ANSWER. THESE TWO COUNTRIES ARE NOT THOUSANDS OF MILES AWAY FROM EACH OTHER. WHAT IS CLEAR TO ME IS THAT ISRAEL AND THE PALESTINIANS ARE CUT FROM THE SAME CLOTH. ABRAHAM ! SARAH, HAGAR, ISHMAEL AND ISAAC. ISRAEL AND THE PALESTINIANS ARE COUSINS. I KNOW THAT YOU KNOW THAT. YOUR LAND HAS SOAKED UP ENOUGH BLOOD. I HAVE CLOSE RELATIONS THAT I DO NOT CHOOSE TO SEE OR SPEAK TO. I UNDERSTAND THE INTENSITY OF FAMILY FEUDS.
    I UNDERSTAND THE HATRED. I HAVE KNOWN AND WORKED WITH MANY SABRES. ALL I AM SAYING IS THAT THIS CONFLICT WILL NEVER BE RESOLVED BY FORCE. IT CAN ONLY BE RESOLVED BY TRUE RECONCILLIATION. THERE ARE 10 OTHER TRIBES IN THE WORLD THAT HAVE LOST THEIR IDENTITY.
    IF WE WANT TO REUNITE ISRAEL, THE PALESTINIANS MUST BE RECOGNIZED AS PART OF THE FAMILY.
    Marc David Baker @ docofthebay.blog

    Its a pleasure to hold this dialogue with you Marc. The idea that stateless Arabs refugees have any claim to Israel, simply does not compare to the Manifest Destiny made to justify and encourage the conversion of territories into States of the Union. Arab armies conquered Syria in 8th Century. The Roman name Palaestina, imposed by Rome following the Bar Kochba revolt in 125 CE. Palestine originates from European imperialism NOT Arab imperialism. Arabs cannot even pronounce the letter P!

    The Ottoman Turks – not Arabs but rather Muslims, an important distinction. The Ottoman Turks conquered what became known to that imperialist empire as Greater Syria from the Arab Mamluk Sultanate in about 1517. Turkish land laws remain the law within Israel to this very day! When I sought to buy a piece of property, the best I could do – open a 99 year lease from the State of Israel. The State “owns” all land. Arab properties like Abu Gosh, fall outside of this law/Tabu. The Tabu land registry in Israel dates back to Ottoman rule.

    Therefore at best since the 16th Century Arabs could work the land of “Greater Syria” as share croppers. A share cropper does not “own” the land. The notion of Arabs as “native inhabitants” stems from the propaganda made by Yasser Arafat since early 1964, a far cry from “thousands of years”, when that Arab – born in Egypt – established the name of his movement as the “Palestine Liberation Army”. Palestine, modern European imperialism sought to impose that name as a stamp upon the Middle East … as opposed to the Ottoman “stamp” of “Greater Syria”. In the 19th Century, the Ottoman empire, also known as the “Sick Man of Europe”, had degenerated into a permanent decay. The Ottoman empire could not afford cartographers/map makers, even from the 18th Century. Consequently the Ottoman empire bought European maps of the Middle East! Hence the European imperialist name “Palestine”.

    Following WW1, the Allies ie Britain and France, they broke up the Ottoman empire just as they did the German and Austro-Hungarian empires. During the Great War the Allies contracted two great treaties among themselves which determined how these European empires would carve up and determine the borders of the Middle East. The secret Sykes-Picot Agreement of 1916 and the Balfour Declaration of 1917. President Wilson’s only peace proposal accepted by the post war Allied Powers established the League of Nations. Senator Long lead the Republican Opposition which prevented America from joining the League of Nations. Following the Senate rejection of that treaty, President Wilson suffered a stroke. Wilson rejected and opposed any and all secret treaties. But since Washington did not join the League of Nations, the Wilson Government could not oppose the imposition of the Sykes-Picot agreement upon establishment of borders in the Middle East!

    In the early 1920s the League of Nations gave to the British and French mandates by which these imperialist empires carved up between themselves Ottoman Greater Syria. The League of Nations based its “Palestine Mandate” upon the Balfour Declaration!!! Again 1922, that’s a far cry from “thousands of years”, as you claim. Arabs under the Palestine Mandate refused to refer to themselves as “Palestinians”. Why?The question “Why”, Western propaganda so conveniently ignores today. Simply answered: For Arabs to refer to themselves as “Palestinians”, this would directly imply that they accepted the British “Palestine Mandate” – which they most emphatically did not. The 1936 Arab Revolt definitively proves this without any margin of error. Arab Revolt NOT Palestinian Revolt! The Arabs to this very day absolutely reject the Balfour Declaration. The Balfour Declaration served as the basis for the awarding by the League of Nations the “Palestine Mandate” unto the British in 1922!!!

    Only after Ben Gurion named the newly declared “Jewish State” named “Israel”, did Yasser Arafat opportunistically embrace the name Palestine. Again 1964 hardly qualifies as “thousands of years”. The problem of “native inhabitants” Arafat’s propaganda employed the lie of the Arabs genetically linked to the ancient Philistines. Only problem with such a bald face lie as this, the extinct Philistines originated from Greek Islands; these “boat people” have no connection what so ever with post Mohammad “Arabs”, originally established in the 7th Century CE!!!

    The notion of reunite Israel with stateless Arab refugee populations – utterly and totally absurd. Jews define the term “refugee”. For over 2000 years Jews scatter across the face of the Planet Earth existed as Stateless Refugees. Stateless refugees have no rights, because they have no country of their own!!! The European name “Palestine” exists as a propaganda fiction on par with Arafat’s “Philistine” lie. Arabs have no portion with the Jewish family any more than did Jews have equality during the empires of the Arab Caliphate. Both the Umayyad and the Abbasid Caliphates, both Jews and Xtians existed under the legal status of dhimmis. The Jewish State does in its own turn NOT recognize Arabs refugee populations as equals. The justice known as measure for measure applies. Yes some assimilated Yidden validate citizenship to Arabs living in Israel, but no Israeli government has ever included Arab Knesset members within the leadership of the Government. Israel exists as the only Jewish State on the planet Earth. Arabs and Muslims have 57 countries. No Arab in Saudi Arabia or Muslim in Iran or Turkey views Jews as “PART OF THE FAMILY”. That’s an absurd and totally false argument whereby you conclude your last posting. Best regards Moshe Kerr@moshekerr@gmail.com

    1. All taking of land is theft. Taking land by force is disgusting. Nobody owns the wind, the sea or the land.
      As for Biblical claims we can all play that. The Celts could claim the whole of the UK and France.

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