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  1. ol lyin king leroy is now awash in Trumpian talking points and ProFA bravado. leroy has had his “freedom and liberty” sprinkle shaker refilled along with his patriot sprinkles. Want to anoint a rightist cause, just sprinkle it. Seems trumpy’s transactional supremes still haven’t paid him off. leave your guns on the front porch leroy. save me having to look into ProFA face when I come to take them for Joe Biden. BTW your wife and son

  2. It’s a full shutdown on free speech. We are as bad as China and the UK and the rest of Europe in that regard. Not liking our speech is one thing. We can disappear into our own little world and you guys don’t even have to listen, but when you collude to shut down that little world, that is pathetic. Google, Apple, and now Amazon have colluded to shut down our free speech. Amazon de-platforms Parler at mid-night. Google and Apple have already shut down the apps. It is the very definition of collusion, monopoly power, and anti-trust violations. Is that not the tactics of dictatorships? Was this not the tactic of the communists and fascists of the world? Deny it all you want, but you guys are on their side.

    1. You do talk rubbish Leroy. I can say what I like – and do. What we have had from the right-wing propaganda is a load of lies, conspiracy theories and propaganda put out as truth.
      The election was stolen.
      There is no global warming.
      There is no loss of biodiversity.
      The biggest crowd at an inauguration ever.
      There was no holocaust.
      We never landed on the moon.
      Experts are always wrong.
      The coronavirus is a hoax.
      You can prevent coronavirus with Hydrochloroquin.
      Try bleach and UV inside your body.
      Don’t be afraid of the virus – get back to work.
      Socialism is communism.
      The media is all fake news.
      Immigrants are all rapists, drug peddlers, rapists and murderers.
      March on the Capitol and take back the country.
      It goes on and on and on and on.
      I think these lies need to be consistently challenged and if necessary shut down. They have divided the country, created hatred and are fuelling the breakdown of cohesion.
      America is so incredibly ignorant and gullible.
      When 8215 U.S. adults were asked “Do you believe that the world is round or flat?” in a February 2018 YouGov survey, only 84 percent of respondents felt certain that the world is round. Five percent had doubts, two percent affirmed a flat Earth, and seven percent weren’t sure.
      That is unbelievable!

      1. Opher, I defend your right to spew garbage. I don’t have to like what you say, but I defend your right to say it. Why can’t you afford us the same?

        If you think you have free speech, criticize how the UK government treats illegal immigrants versus its own citizens. I know that you approve of this and that is why you believe others should be prosecuted for doing it. I suppose might makes right and the dictators are on your side now.

      2. Leroy – we have free speech on everything. I can talk about anything (and do) criticise the government, make fun of Johnson and talk about immigration and even express extreme views.
        What I should not be allowed to do, rightly, is to spread hate, incite violence or promote racism.

    2. I think it’s fine to put out discussions on all manner of topics. That is not what is happening.
      Trump declared that the election was stolen and that there was a plot, millions of votes were magicked into ballot boxes late at night.
      He said that from his bunker in the Whitehouse on election night.
      Yet it had been quite clear that the process was going to follow a pattern.
      The Republicans had encouraged their followers to vote in person. The Democrats, aware of coronavirus, had encouraged their voters to vote by mail.
      In places like Georgia the votes cast on the day were counted first.
      Trump went into the lead as predicted.
      Then the postal ballots were counted and his lead evaporated and Biden won comfortably – as predicted.
      There was not one shred of evidence for Trump’s claims of mass fraud. The international observers saw nothing underhand. Recounts and investigations turned nothing up. Yet Trump continued to make these assertions and has convinced half his followers that it is true.
      As with most things that come out of Trump’s mouth – there is little truth or substance behind anything he says. It’s all in his head.
      And this is what you believe. It is pulling the country apart and it is all lies.

      1. Can I chip in for Leroy?
        Although we don’t have the same (theoretical) constitutional protection for free speech you have in the US, nonetheless, Amazon, Apple, Facebook, Google, Twitter and Parler are all American so if they are hitting free speech – not our fault.
        Although our establishment (and the oligarchs – Russian, American etc) will do everything they can in secret, I don’t think we do too badly in the UK or Western Europe – comparing us to China is absurd – a Putinesque lie!

      2. There is a big question as to what should be allowed and what shouldn’t. Threats, violence and bullying are quite clear. But deliberate conspiracy? Out and out lies? Fake news?

      3. Opher, I stayed up the night of the election until the wee hours of the morning. It was reported that four swing states were shutting down for the night and would resume in the morning. Georgia reported a burst water main. It was all a lie. The count never stopped. There was no burst water main. In darkness without the required observation, Biden’s vote magically increased. There is no question whatsoever that many of these states violated their own laws. The Dead voted. Foreigners voted. People voted more than once. Underage people voted. And, I am sure a few animals voted. It happens in all elections. There are incentives to cheat. It’s called power. This year, we gave them more opportunities. Normally, it doesn’t change the outcome. This year, with the close elections, it did. We no longer tabulate votes. They are calculated. I can prove that anything less than a 0.1% difference is a tie. Even a 0.2% difference can swing on one vote. I know you don’t believe it and you are not mathematically inclined to understand it, so I won’t bother to explain it to you. Just because the courts refused to hear the cases doesn’t mean there wasn’t fraud. They refused to hear the cases on technicalities, not on the merits. And, what about Stacey Abrams’ sister being one of the judges. It that isn’t a conflict of interest, I don’t know what is. You have always lacked objectivity and that is why you agree with shutting down our free speech. If it affected issues near and dear to you, you would object. I’m fortunate enough to see the big picture. It probably benefits me. I worry about my children. Enjoy your dictatorship while you can. All dictatorships come to an end.

    3. Free speech does not include talk of violence.
      We have an app around here called Nextdoor that was originally meant to help neighbors communicate in a friendly manner and sell stuff to each other. Over the last year some conversations began to get out of hand related to politics. On multiple occasions, some of the Trump supporters began threatening other users who downtalked Trump with what where obvious threats of violence to a user or their family. Even one like “Don’t leave your dog out at night”. Virtually ALL of the threats came from the Trumpies and none from the “other side”. It was always the Trumpies who could not handle hearing the real truth and logic and always seemed to respond in degrading and threatening ways when they knew they were outdone. One directed at me several weeks back was “well, ya better not show up at the lake when I’m around or you might find yerself sinkin in yer own truth!”. I can only imagine what he meant. This guy and several others were finally banned from the app after being suspended on multiple occasions. The local Sheriff (who is also a user of the app) is a Trumpie, and only sent him a PM “slap on the wrist”.
      I think most of us remember the same trend back in the WB days.

      1. How anyone can call Biden a fascist is beyond me – but Trump clearly is and our mainstream press ar openly calling him fascist. That is unheard of.

  3. ProFA leroy is crying cause his fascist traitor leader has been silenced, and maybe we’ll be spared more of dancing don…his orange face and pumping little fists. You ProFAs are such a joke…all you got is “projections”

      1. Opher, when you imagine that Trump uses violent language (and he doesn’t), it shouldn’t be tolerated. When Jeff uses violent language, you think it is funny. Now, do you see why I say you are incapable of being objective?

      2. Jeff isn’t President and my blog has zero influence. Jeff wasn’t threatening or inciting violence. Trump was. He called for people to march on the Capitol,
        We’re going to have to fight much harder and Mike Pence is going to have to come through for us,” Trump said at one point, alluding to Pence’s ultimate refusal to attempt to steal the election for him during that day’s hearing where the Electoral College made his loss official.

        “You’ll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength. You have to be strong,” he added during the speech in which he pushed long-debunked lies about Joe Biden’s convincing victory over him being the product of fraud.

  4. “Although our establishment (and the oligarchs – Russian, American etc) will do everything they can in secret, I don’t think we do too badly in the UK or Western Europe – comparing us to China is absurd – a Putinesque lie!”

    Trevor, my reasoning comes from the imprisonment of Tommy Robinson for speaking the truth about illegal immigrants in the UK and their predilection for harassing your young women. He spoke the truth about a particular case that was unflattering to immigrants from the Middle East. You can’t get jailed (yet) in the US for saying something that is true and what he said was demonstrably true. I don’t know him. He might be the biggest rogue the world has ever seen. He might be a thug or a racist. But he was locked up for speaking the truth. As soon as I mention it, Opher goes postal and rages about what a bad person he is, but he never addresses the fact that he is not able to speak the truth publically on certain subject topics. Yes, Western Europe has free speech on most topics but not when it comes to speaking about immigrants from non-Western countries.

    I worked in Shanghai for a number of years. Several people told me that they had free speech there. As long as they avoided certain subjects, that was true. I equate the UK and Western Europe to Shanghai. It probably wouldn’t hold in Beijing, and it might not hold anywhere today.

    1. Tommy Robinson wasn’t jailed for that. He was jailed for breaking a court order. He was told not to interfere with a court case. He did and he revealed names of people when told not to.
      Tommy Robinson was a football hooligan and fascist. He specialised in telling lies and inciting hatred against Muslims. Trump would have loved him.
      He was jailed for contempt of court. You should not believe the lies put out by these right-wing sites. It had nothing to do with freedom of speech here:
      He has served at least four separate terms of imprisonment: in 2005 for assault, in 2012 for using false travel documents to enter the United States, in 2014 for mortgage fraud, and, in May 2018, Robinson was committed to prison for 13 months for contempt of court after publishing a Facebook Live video of defendants …

    2. I think that’s fair comment Leroy. (I’ve never been to Shanghai). But Tommy Robinson (a pseudonym) was, in context, clearly inciting racial hatred. Because a few Americans or Jews or Muslims do bad things (immigrants or not – we have a lot of American immigrants in the UK) doesn’t mean that all Americans or Jews or Muslims are bad.
      We have laws in the UK which state that you can’t make public racist comments about groups or individuals which may incite violence or racial prejudice. That seems to me a fair limitation on ‘free speech’ – which can never be absolute – it’s always a ‘relative free speech’.
      Much more worrying is that we keep political prisoners in the UK at the behest of our US ‘allies’ with a view to covering up their (or our) war crimes. That is a real threat to free speech AND democracy. #JulianAssange

      1. I agree with you Trevor. But Tommy was not locked up for his incitement of hatred (though he probably should have been). He was locked up for contempt of court.

      2. Trevor, I would have to look the event up. My recollection is that Tommy Robinson exposed the fact that these men were from the Middle East. That was his crime. He simply exposed the truth. He may be a racist. It is not important. When you can’t expose a simple truth, you don’t have free speech. It seems to be a legitimate issue that the government finds inconvenient because of its wokeness. What’s wrong with exposing Americans in the UK for doing bad things? Absolutely nothing. What’s wrong with exposing youths from the Middle East? Absolutely nothing. When you can’t even discuss these social issues, you can’t resolve them. We seemed to get by pretty well when I was young with the cliche, “Stick and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me.” I grew up in the minority.

        For sure the US has a problem with its spy agencies. They have become political. The CIA was meant to be political. I’ve always been conflicted over whether Assange and Snowden were heroes or villains. In light of the recent revelations, I favor the former. The Democrats would prefer that Assange never see the light of day again. I am hoping that Trump pardons both of them, if for nothing else, to piss the Democrats off. I do believe Assange is innocent. Snowden is a whistleblower.

      3. That is rubbish Leroy. There was a court case going on against these Asian guys accused of rape. He had been instructed by the court not to release details of the trial as it would prejudice the case. He stood outside the court videoing the defendants as they went in and live-streaming their names and vilifying them. The guys were probably guilty but everyone deserves a fair trial. He was arrested and found guilty of contempt of court. It had nothing to do with free speech. That is fake news.
        It was Trump who has been trying to get Assange back to the States for Trial. He wanted him locked. Nothing to do with the democrats. What is up with you Leroy. Are you mad?

    3. don’t bother telling leroy truths…he can’t understand cyberspace is private space not a town square. leroy even still talks rightist talk, like bolsheviks…none of which have been alive for decades…he’s just passes along the big lies….

      1. After the Russian collusion hoax, the left and its lapdog media, including you, my friend, have zero credibility.

      2. The thing is Leroy – the Russian collusion wasn’t a hoax. If it had not been for partisan cover-up it would have been exposed. It will come out in full later. Just like the massive tax evasion, the dodgy deals, mafia connections and a host of over bullying and threats. Trump is desperate because he knows his whole house of dirty cards is going to come tumbling down.

      3. LOL…Conspiracy nut. Believe me; after nearly three years of investigation, millions of dollars, and, what, a dozen high-powered investigators who were out to get him, couldn’t come up with anything and you still believe in it? I’ll be kind and say it takes a special kind of person. Even Adam Schiff who claimed to have the goods couldn’t deliver. The whole US government–nay the world– that universally despised Trump and went so far as to frame and spy on him, couldn’t prove anything, and you know the truth? I’m rolling on the floor laughing. You take the cake. No, not even the treasonous actions of the UK could bring him down. Pay attention. If your news service is allowed to carry it, it will all come out this week or next. You will see proof that that whale was ordered to infiltrate the Trump campaign and your buddy, Steele, fabricated the hoax to aid Clinton because he felt Trump would be bad for the UK. He went directly to newspapers against the FBI news because he wanted to blunt the Clinton email scandal. He’s a true patriot of your ilk. It’s not conjecture. We know now that it is fact. Stay tuned, if you don’t believe me.

        Talk about mob connections, take a look at Pelosi. Her father was a mobster. JFK ordered an investigation on her. Rumor has it that the investigation might be exposed soon and you will see that your side has mob connections.

        And, if that wasn’t enough, it will be revealed that star impeachment witness Fiona Hill (whore for the DNC) introduced Steele to his prime sub-source. How you guys failed to take Trump out is beyond me.

      4. Now he hasn’t got the protection of office we’ll see exactly what comes out about him won’t we? I wonder if you’ll still be laughing as he becomes the first President to end up behind bars?

      5. Opher, I have no doubt that they will try to put him behind bars and they may be successful. We’ll see just how much they want to inflame the nation. The Democrats are vengeful. The Democrats are skilled at using the IRS and the spy agencies to harass and intimidate and jail people. Manafort, Poppa D, Flynn, Page, Bannon, the guy who built the wall, are all good examples of anyone associated with Trump. None have been convicted or accused of anything associated with Trump, but the harassment will continue. The AG of NY before taking office and before knowing any facts pledged to put him behind bars, so, yes, she will bring charges, any charges being the Soros hack that she is. “Show me the man and I will find the charges.” The Democrats have played the political power game masterfully. It has nothing to do with guilt, only power. When they come looking for you, you will sing a different tune. So will our nation. Europe is probably lost, but it is possible that the US can bounce back from this blight on American history. By blight, I mean the stolen election. I have no doubt that our own government eliminated Trump for our own good.

      6. Leroy – vengeful? It’s not the left parading around in military uniform carrying a mobile arsenal. It’s not the left storming the Capitol because they lost the election.
        Europe is far from lost Leroy. It is America that is lost – tearing itself apart with idiot Tea Party lunacy, QAnon conspiracy and armed militia. The very fact that you believe these lies shows the state the country is in.
        BTW – Trump lost by nearly 8 million votes. Trump talks shit, lies and promotes hate and division.

  5. but orange fuck is soooooo macho…so patriotic….such a patriot wouldn’t attend cerimony honorig ww1 dead to avoid wet hair then called them losers and suckers…real “man” ol Il Duce,,,

  6. Ruh Roh looks like antifa and BLM got caught on tape planning the capitol building attack. Fools even made a video while it was happening. FBI arrested him. Doesn’t look good for the leftist narrative. Did you make any videos Jeff? Better destroy them while you can, if you did.

      1. Oh, it was all caught on film. Better yet, a CNN reporter was embedded with antifa, which means that it was pre-planned. Worse yet, the CNN reported was filmed yelling, “We did it!” inside the capitol building, which means CNN was part and parcel of the planning of the insurrection.

        Now, you honest liberals should call for CNN to be de-platformed and shutdown and Jade Sacker to be de-credentialed, if your logic is to hold. But, no. You’ll try to gaslight us and say it never happened, even though it was live-streamed and caught on video. John Sullivan was an innocent journalist who was there merely to record and the window just got in the way, so that is why he broke it. Jade Sacker is a great American. Antifa is just an idea. Nothing to see here; let’s move along. There was no false flag. Trump supporters will believe anything.

      2. Don’t be daft. The BBC were in there too filming. Every media outlet wanted in. It was history. The first time someone has tried to hold a coup in the USA. I don’t remember insurrection on this level. Trump surpassed his own stupidity. Did he really think he could mass his bunch of MAGA morons and really change the election result by marching on the Capitol?

    1. No reason for a non Trump supporter to be rioting in support of Trump. He was most likely one of those self-labeled “journalists” who show up with a phony press pass and record stuff for their YouTube page.
      Anyone that passed the barricades and entered the Capital was a traitor, especially those who damaged property and committed violent acts against the Police. These people will have to live with knowing just that, and those who were caught and charged will find that the rest of their lives are now ruined. Even in my small county, 3 local guys who attended were charged with entering a restricted building and violent entry or disorderly conduct just one day after returning. Luckily for them that they flew out of DC quickly, or they would have been detained right after boarding their aircraft, as many were. These 3 idiots are known around town for refusing to wear masks in local businesses, multiple 502 arrests, fireworks violations, hunting out of season, harassing local fisherman at the lake with drones, and many other stupid offenses. Being on the local City Council, I constantly deal with them on certain issues that come before the council that they label as “socialist” or “commie”.
      I was not surprised at all when I found out.
      Don’t forget Leroy, It was found that groups like the Proud Boys, American Guard, and some other Militia groups were directly behind enticing and manipulating the looting and rioting that was done by opportunists during the BLM protests, which was cooked-up to help support Trump’s “law & order” reelection platform.

      1. There was much evidence of far-right groups joining the peaceful BLM marches to deliberately cause trouble and undermine it.

      2. Bill, “traders” is a little strong. The IQ of any crowd is inversely proportional to its size. There were many bad actors on all sides. It’s debatable whose side had the most. They were all wrong. There were all trespassers, even the octogenarian woman carrying the American flag. From some videos, it appears that some were invited in. It was a failure in the capitol building security. It is my capitol building. Anyone invading my capitol building deserved to be shot. The young vet Ashli Babbit got what she deserved. Many portray her as an innocent bystander who got caught up in the moment. The truth is that she tried to jump through a window of a barricaded door, presumably leading to our legislators. As much as scumbags that they are, they should have our protection. She was caught on video of one of the domestic, antifa terrorist. You know his name already. There is plenty of blame to go around, including the capital police, whoever denied the extra protection requested, and the right and left militant groups. Look for more of these skirmishes. The riot started well before Trump’s speech ended and well before this crown could have arrived, so, it is not fair to blame it on them.

        It is laughable that you believe the BLM riots were perpetrated by right-wing groups. To believe that, one would have to believe these groups are composed mainly of blacks, government officials, college students, and white academics. One has to be delusional to believe the Proud Boys are a racist group.

      1. You don’t have to. I don’t support Johnson. I didn’t support Thatcher, Cameron, May or any of the other bloody Tories. You just have to learn to live with them. That’s democracy.

  7. Thanks for the translation, Opher. Pretty much my feelings towards O and Biden and Jeff. Maybe you can translate that for Jeff in the language he/she/it can understand.

      1. Opher, you said it was conspiracy theory when I said documents would come out last week or this week which showed Fiona Hill introduce Steele to his subsource, among other things. Here is the first down payment. Do you still deny it? Do you still deny that British subjects conspired with the Clinton campaign to sabotage the election? Some people will deny reality when it is in black and white. As a side story, when my father died, a renter’s mother claimed her daughter paid her rent to my father on a certain day and she positively remembered the date because she went to a church event right after. I gave her every chance to rethink her words. I then told her my father died a week before and that she could check the newspapers. She still insisted her daughter paid the rent to my father a week after he died. I suppose you will deny the contents below because you cannot accept reality.

        Click to access Steele2017FBIDebriefing.pdf

      1. It proves that your refusal to read anything outside of your echo chamber, and, that is why you lack objectivity, IMHO. Don’t take it the wrong way.

      2. We all live in echo chambers. The TRumpist lunacy. QAnan nonsense. There are a lot of people waking up to how they’ve been conned as Melania swans out of the Whitehouse clutching a $90,000 Birkin handbag. Ever feel you’ve been conned??

    1. You should believe it because it comes from the US government. It’s not some right-wing or left-wing source. It is simply what they said when they were under oath. It’s quite a bit different than what your echo chambers publish when they are not under oath.

  8. “We all live in echo chambers.”

    Some of us do. Not all. Some of us try to be objective rather than toeing the party line.

    “The TRumpist lunacy. QAnan nonsense.”

    That tells me that you didn’t bother to read it. It is our government documents under O/Clinton/Biden friendly intel agencies. It proves everything Trump said once they are put under oath or on record. The only thing redacted is sources and methods. That shouldn’t be difficult for an intelligent guy like you.

    “There are a lot of people waking up to how they’ve been conned as Melania swans out of the Whitehouse clutching a $90,000 Birkin handbag. Ever feel you’ve been conned??”

    How so, since Trump didn’t take a salary?

    Most people want to know how Clinton, O, and Biden got so rich. Clinton claimed to be dirt poor when Billy left office. O wasn’t rich until he left office. Now, he is a multi-millionaire. Biden became a multi-millionaire after leaving office, and that is just what we know about. He and his family were made millionaires through his charity, when had anonymous Chinese donations.

    1. Leroy – you’re objectivity is non-existent. I don’t think you’ve taken one ounce of notice of the chaos, lies and intrigue around the Trump Presidency. The worst President in history. Thank heavens Biden is clearing up the mess and reversing the stupidity with a slew of executive orders.
      You even tried to blame the storming of the Capitol on left-wingers!

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